MK 10 Ejection seats

[Sploosher]

Apart from the 3 jest that we know about that use these seats, what ex service jets that still fly use them?

Not knowing how old these seats are, I would guess that Hunters, Vampires, Venoms etc use an earlier model...

[Olicat]

I believe the F-18 has a Mk-10 variant

[Xplumberlives]

You guess quite correctly!

Start looking here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin-Baker

[Sploosher]

The reason why I ask is because I heard on `Look North` that the CAA has stopped any civvy aircraft with these seats in from flying until further notice.........

[Xplumberlives]

The reason why I ask is because I heard on `Look North` that the CAA has stopped any civvy aircraft with these seats in from flying until further notice.........

The Shackle connections through the scissors to the drogue are thought to be the problem and the CAA has issued an instruction to check all of them!

Look here;

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?c ... il&id=4766

Here is an extensive list of all aircraft fitted with variants of the MB Mk 10 seat!

Mk. 10 Country Aircraft Seat Designation

ARGENTINA PAMPA AR10LM
ARGENTINA MB-339 IT10F
AUSTRALIA HAWK AU10LH
AUSTRALIA F-18 SJU9A(Rear/Solo)
AUSTRALIA F-18 SJU10A(Front) SJU9A(Rear)
BAHRAIN HAWK BA10LH
BAHRAIN HAWK BRN10LH
BANGLADESH Chengdu F-5 BD10LV
BANGLADESH Shenyang F-6 BD10D
BANGLADESH Chengdu F-7 BD10LZ
BELGIUM ALPHA JET B10N
BELGIUM MIRAGE B10LP
BOSNIA- J-22 YU10JF
HERCEGOVINA
BRAZIL AMX BR10LY
BRAZIL MIRAGE F10Q
BRAZIL SUPER TUCANO (ALX) BR10LCX
BRAZIL F-5 BR10LF
BRAZIL EMB-314 BR10LCX
BRUNEI HAWK BRU10LH
CANADA HAWK BA10LH
CANADA F-18 SJU9A(Front)
SJU10A(Rear)
CHILE MIRAGE B10LP 1-2
CHILE MIRAGE B10LP
CHILE CASA 101 CL10CA
CHILE CASA 101 E10CA 1-2
CHILE CHEETAH B10L
CZECH REP. GRIPEN S10LS
CROATIA SOKO YU10J
CROATIA SOKO YU10LB
ECUADOR KFIR IL10P
EGYPT F-6 EP10D
EGYPT ALPHA JET EP10N
EGYPT MIRAGE F10Q
EGYPT K-8 EP10LW
EGYPT F-6 EP10D
ERITREA MB-339 ER10LK
FINLAND HAWK SF10B
FRANCE MIRAGE F10Q
FRANCE MIRAGE F10M
FRANCE RAFALE F10X
FRANCE FOUGA 90 F10K
GABON MIRAGE F10M
GERMANY TORNADO G10A
GERMANY EUROFIGHTER 10LE
GHANA MB-339 IT10LK
GREECE MIRAGE F10QA
GREECE F-5 H10LF
HONDURAS CASA C-101 E10LU
HONDURAS SABRE HN10Z
HUNGARY GRIPEN S10LS
INDIA MIRAGE IN10QA
INDIA SEA HARRIER IN10H
INDONESIA HAWK BA10LH
INDONESIA HAWK IA10B 1-2
IRAQ F-5 IR10LF
IRAQ TUCANO BR8LC
IRAQ MIRAGE F10M
ITALY TORNADO 10A
ITALY MB-339 IT10F
ITALY MB-339 IT10LK
ITALY EUROFIGHTER 10LE
ITALY AMX IT10LY 1
JORDAN MIRAGE F10M
JORDAN CASA C-101 E10CA
KENYA HAWK KA10B
KENYA TUCANO KA8LC 1-2
KUWAIT HAWK KT10B
MALAYSIA HAWK BA10LH
MALAYSIA MB-339 IT10F
MALAYSIA MB-339 IT10LK
NEW ZEALAND MB-339 NZ10LK
NIGERIA MB-339 IT10F
OMAN HAWK BA10LH
PAKISTAN HONGDU A-5 PK10LV
PAKISTAN SHENYANG F-6 PKD10
PAKISTAN CHENGDU F-7 PK10LZ
PAKISTAN K-8 PK10LW
PAKISTAN SHENYANG FT-6 PKD10 TR
PERU MB-339 IT10F
PERU MIRAGE F10Q
PHILIPPINES S-211 IT10LA
POLAND PZL I-22 PL10LR 1-2
QATAR MIRAGE F10Q
QATAR HAWK BA10LH
ROMANIA IAR-99 RU10LB
ROMANIA IAR-93 RU10J
ROMANIA SOKO RU10J
ROMANIA SOKO RU10LB
S.KOREA HAWK KR10LH
SAUDI ARABIA TORNADO SA10A
SAUDI ARABIA HAWK SA10B
SERBIA&MONT. J-22 YU10JF
SINGAPORE S-211 IT10LA 1-2
SOMALIA S-211 IT10LA
SOUTH AFRICA CHEETAH B10L
SOUTH AFRICA MIRAGE F10M
SOUTH AFRICA GRIPEN Z10LS
SOUTH AFRICA HAWK BA10LH
SPAIN F-18 SJU10A
SPAIN F-18 SJU5A(F)/SJU9A(R)
SPAIN F-18 SJU6A
SPAIN C-101 E10CA 1-2 /E10LU
SPAIN MIRAGE E10M / F1RM4
SRI LANKA KFIR IL10P
SWEDEN GRIPEN S10LS
SWITZERLAND HAWK CH10LH
TAIWAN MIRAGE F10QA
TAIWAN AIDC X10LQ
TANZANIA SHENYANG F-6 TZ10D
THAILAND GRIPEN S10LS
UAE - DUBIA HAWK DU10B
UK EUROFIGHTER 10LE
UK AJT HAWK GB10LH
UK HAWK 10B
UK TORNADO 10A
UK ALPHA JET GB10LN
UK SEA HARRIER 10H
UNITED ARAB HAWK AD10B
EMIRATES (UAE)
UNITED ARAB MB-339 IT10F
EMIRATES (UAE)
UNITED ARAB MIRAGE F10QA
EMIRATES (UAE)
CANADA ALPHA JET CA10LN
USA SUPER TOCANO (ALX) BR10LCX
USA X-31 SJU-5A
USA F-18 SJU 5A
USA F-18 SJU 5A / 6A
USA OSPREY US10E
VENEZUELA MB-339 IT10F
YUGOSLAVIA J-22 YU10JF
YUGOSLAVIA SOKO YU10LB
ZIMBABWE HAWK ZE10B

[10680]

Does this indicate that they have decided on the cause of the accident(s)?

[Xplumberlives]

Does this indicate that they have decided on the cause of the accident(s)?

No just one part!

NOT the cause, but one of the contributory factors!

[Nickolas]

Post withdrawn by original poster.

[Xplumberlives]

Looks like they might have discovered why he didn't survive it but not why he was ejected in the first place. Do you think that this might have had an influence on Jon Eggings fatality?

Sorry Nickolas, NOT SURE and NOT PREPARED to comment!

[Sploosher]

Thanks for the explanation and the short list XP..........................

[Xplumberlives]

Here is an article from the Daily telegraph!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ailed.html


And from the Lincolnshire Echo;

http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Red ... story.html


PLEASE NOTE;

The cause and events that built up to the ejection are still not published!

[Nickolas]

Looks like they might have discovered why he didn't survive it but not why he was ejected in the first place. Do you think that this might have had an influence on Jon Eggings fatality?

Sorry Nickolas, NOT SURE and NOT PREPARED to comment!

In the light of hindsight I shall withdraw my speculative post.
Sorry if any offence or distress has been caused.
Nick

[Mayfly]

I don't think anybody was offended Nick and I know that wouldn't have been your intention - rest assured if I had thought that I would have removed it for you. Without knowing all the available facts it is very hard to deduce any plausable explanation of why/what happened.

I am sure that all involved were nothing less than professional and we will just have to wait for the official findings.

[Xplumberlives]

Looks like they might have discovered why he didn't survive it but not why he was ejected in the first place. Do you think that this might have had an influence on Jon Eggings fatality?

Sorry Nickolas, NOT SURE and NOT PREPARED to comment!

In the light of hindsight I shall withdraw my speculative post.
Sorry if any offence or distress has been caused.
Nick

No need to remove it chap, you asked and accepted my reasoning!

[Dan4th]

You have to know that they're just
erring on the cautious side, as they
ought to do until everything gets
sorted out.........

Both our countries share the distinction
of having GREAT agencies to deal with
these sad events when they occur......

The whole world looks to US when the
unspeakable happens, regardless of what
the French have to say about it.......

Danf.

[Sooty655]

Agree wholeheartedly with all of that, D4th.

However, I would like to see the same requirement for an interim report within one month, which already applies to the civilian agencies, also applied to the military. I think that would reduce the idle and uninformed speculation which happens at present.

[Xplumberlives]

Agree wholeheartedly with all of that, D4th.

However, I would like to see the same requirement for an interim report within one month, which already applies to the civilian agencies, also applied to the military. I think that would reduce the idle and uninformed speculation which happens at present.

A FAIR point oh CARBONED one, BUT Aviation Enthusiasts SHOULD REALLY know better than to keep fuelling the fire!!

[Sooty655]

Agree wholeheartedly with all of that, D4th.

However, I would like to see the same requirement for an interim report within one month, which already applies to the civilian agencies, also applied to the military. I think that would reduce the idle and uninformed speculation which happens at present.

A FAIR point oh CARBONED one, BUT Aviation Enthusiasts SHOULD REALLY know better than to keep fuelling the fire!!

True, but clearly there are "Enthusiasts" out there who don't know better. I just think it would help (not cure, just help) if the known facts were made public more promptly.

It certainly helps with civilian incidents, although nothing will stop the totally idiotic speculator "experts".

[Mayfly]

The trouble is many have a 'little' knowledge and we all know what is said about that!!!

[Xplumberlives]

Meaning
A small amount of knowledge can mislead people into thinking that they are more expert than they really are.

Origin
'A little knowledge is a dangerous thing' and 'a little learning is a dangerous thing' have been used synonymously since the 18th century.

The 'a little learning' version is widely attributed to Alexander Pope (1688 - 1744). It is found in An Essay on Criticism, 1709, and I can find no earlier example of the expression in print:

A little learning is a dangerous thing;
drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
and drinking largely sobers us again.

The similarity of the two phrases is demonstrated by what appears to be an impromptu coining of 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing' in a piece in The monthly miscellany; or Gentleman and Lady's Complete Magazine, Vol II, 1774, in which the writer misquoted Pope:

Mr. Pope says, very truly, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

Both Pope's original verse and the misquotation of it were predated by an anonymous author, signing himself 'A B', in the collection of letters published in 1698 as The mystery of phanaticism:

"Twas well observed by my Lord Bacon, That a little knowledge is apt to puff up, and make men giddy, but a greater share of it will set them right, and bring them to low and humble thoughts of themselves.

Again, there is a degree of misquotation here, as what 'my Lord Bacon', the English politician and philosopher Francis Bacon, Viscount St Alban, actually said, in The Essays: Of Atheism, 1601, was:

"A little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism; but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion."

So, who coined the phrase? It appears to have been a group effort. Bacon can be credited with the idea, Pope with the 'learning' version and the mysterious 'A B' with the 'knowledge' version.

[Sooty655]

That must be the most erudite venture off topic in IA history.

Back to Mk 10 Ejection Seats.

[Xplumberlives]

That must be the most erudite venture off topic in IA history.

Back to Mk 10 Ejection Seats.

I think I'll take that as a compliment!