558 Funding Update

[RLN]

Surely though if you want these people mentioned sacked, then your club should be putting forward a vote of no confidence to the trust and getting things changed.

If, as may happen it goes under, everyone loses their jobs and we all lose a flying Vulcan.

I have been saying that, along with others, for a very long time! But, when push came to shove (pardon the pun) people just didn't stand up to be counted

So, I got up and started helping out as and when I could.

But now - well, I'll just not say anything about anything because I'm Naddy and that's just NOT ALLOWED!

You say what you like - bugger 'em.

[Xplumberlives]

Seconded!

[Spitfire]

Old Rigger either removed a very good post here ....or someone else did .......

Anyway part of what he said was - in essence .....education can only begin when we have a flying Vulcan? What was that flying around the last two years or has that been a flight simulator practice for the real thing this year.

So I agreed with that sentiment and ..........

Absolutely - it's no good banging on about an education programme which is waiting for a flying Vulcan whan its been flying 2 years already..... when does the education thing start then ?? How many primary and secondary schools have been visited to inspire the future - how many parent teacher associations have been motivated ???

I ploughed far more money than I can really afford into the final years of the restoration - I watched those Vulcams for hours - and felt pride and exhilaration when she first flew ..... but now its a whole different ball game .... we've said it before but it bears repeating - this is no longer a restoration project - she's fully restored - and running her on a daily basis now is a WHOLE different ball game.

But I'm no longer motivated to plough more and more money in to this bottomless pit which seems to have no direction and is rollercoasting from one crisis to another.

I don't like to be referred to as a potential 'activist' - and everyone I speak to about needing more money for another funding crisis says something along the lines of - 'this has been going on for years,isn't it sorted yet' .......embarrassed or what

[Old Rigger]

Sorry peeps, just to avoid any confusion; Due to the time it took to decide a. to post and b. having decided to, I then took a while to compile my thoughts and put them into words and this meant my post appeared to be aimed at the wrong person mistakenly and as I try to be clear, precise and hopefully impersonnel, I thought I better remove it.

I still stand by what I wrote for those that had time to digest it, but it was likely to make this thread get as bad as they get on the VTSC forum and Iconic is not about that, I hope

[Xplumberlives]

Mick, please put your post back, it made sense and was worthy of others seeing it!

[Yorkie]

Given what I have just read over on VTSC I'm now completely confused!

Although it doesn't take much, there are folk talking about administrators, has an anouncement been made?

I haven't been over there for a while, and been stressed and snowed under at work.

[PhantomAviator]

Given what I have just read over on VTSC I'm now completely confused!

Although it doesn't take much, there are folk talking about administrators, has an anouncement been made?

I haven't been over there for a while, and been stressed and snowed under at work.

It is the way the post has been going.
It is a 'What If'.
In posting it though it is totally out of context with the given subject.

[Yorkie]

Makes sense... and on a topic that was completely out of context so thanks for that.

[PhantomAviator]

Makes sense... and on a topic that was completely out of context so thanks for that.

No problem.

I have read the funding update and I am somewhat confused.

Surely if they are after national coverage they should be getting people to target not only the Mail On Sunday (not exactly the top seller), but they should be getting people to target all of the nationals, as many locals as possible, get in touch with local news stations, local radio stations etc.

But a large part of the problem is that the only local radio stations that are likely to be interested now are the one's around Lyneham. I know that the Leicester one's aren't really interested considering how people of this area were treated in the past. Also the Aircraft is no longer locally based and people do not have the same access to veiw as they had whilst she was at Bruntingthorpe.

National news don't seem interested as it is now old hat so to speak. The big build up to her first flight then the euphoria seemed to wane.

Local papers are similar to the local radio and the local television channels.
Why should they bother when the aircraft is not of local interest.

The hopes of a big sponsor are dwindling faster than a sinking sieve, who want's to throw money into what is technically viewed as a bottomless pit.

Sorry but these are my views and I have tried to get local radio and papers interested.
All I can do though is pass on contact details of VTST and they have to do the rest.

[Stigish]

In response to Panel 10's statement

No Vulcan, NO Education.

Bloodhound SSC Has not even been built yet and look at their education programme!

Education and engagement - Inspiring the next generation

BLOODHOUND SSC provides us with a once in a lifetime opportunity to inspire the next generation of scientists and engineers. The BLOODHOUND Education Programme will be available to all pupils from primary and secondary schools, and to students in further and higher education. Alongside the education programme will be a series of activities outside the school environment, which will engage more broadly with society.

How do schools, colleges, families - and other groups - become involved

To join the Bloodhound Education Programme, you first need to register your organisation. This will then enable you to download our education ideas and get you started. We will send you 2 free posters and a flyer, and be in touch with you as soon as we can and help you get the best experience out of BLOODHOUND SSC. Click here and register now!

If you would like to contact the BLOODHOUND SSC Education Team directly to discuss ways that your organisation can be involved or use our project's resources, then you can email any of the following people:

* Dave Rowley, Education Programme Director, at dave.rowley@bloodhoundssc.com
* Dawn Fitt, Education Delivery Director, at dawn.fitt@bloodhoundssc.com
* Ian Galloway, Education Director, at ian.galloway@bloodhoundssc.com
* Kate Bellingham, Education Ambassador, at kate.bellingham@bloodhoundssc.com

Why do we need a BLOODHOUND Education Programme?

In the UK, and many of the developed countries worldwide, there is a shortage of scientists, engineers and mathematicians and we therefore urgently need our young people to be motivated to enjoy and study science, technology, engineering and maths (STEM) subjects at school and then at university. The BLOODHOUND Project is endeavouring to be the catalyst through which young people will acquire the skills and develop innovative talents that will enable them to overcome the challenges we face on a global scale.
Higher Education

The BLOODHOUND Project offers a unique opportunity to provide university level engineering and technology students with access to real design challenges and test data as the project develops. BLOODHOUND@University is run by a group of academics from the University of the West of England, (UWE), Swansea University, University of Southampton and also has input from the EPSRC.

Yes, this eduation programme sounds alot like what the trust had planned (stop me if I'm wrong), the difference is the Bloodhound SSC education programme will be successful from the outset as they know how important it is for the success of the project. They've all been there with Thrust SSC and look how successful that was.

I say no more .

[Old Rigger]

Thanks dave (Xpl) for your comments, but unfortunately having removed it, and as my post are one ofs so to speak, I am not in a position to write it again, never mind it made me feel better for a brief moment.

I think I will revert to my original plan
a. to carry on doing what I can in the background and if it becomes a lost cause use that money to treat the wife and I.
b. Continue lurk on the forums (and try not to get drawn into commenting on crass and patronising posts again on any forum).
c. Post on neutral threads only, like modelling, photos etc.
d. At my age it is not worth the hassle (get enough at home and work, without getting it for my other passion in my private life as well).

[Gully]

Given what I have just read over on VTSC I'm now completely confused!

Although it doesn't take much, there are folk talking about administrators, has an anouncement been made?

I haven't been over there for a while, and been stressed and snowed under at work.

It is the way the post has been going.
It is a 'What If'.
In posting it though it is totally out of context with the given subject.

Think that was me in the leg change thread, responding to jangor's 'what if' scenario about being stuck legless at Lyneham! Setting a good example as a forum mod - my excuse: I'm following Wedgy's example!

Gully

[Xplumberlives]

Sleepless in Seattle and Legless at Lyneham, another Hollywood Blockbuster on the way!

[PhantomAviator]

Sleepless in Seattle and Legless at Lyneham, another Hollywood Blockbuster on the way!

I remember many a night Legless at Lyneham
But I was never Sleepless in Seattle

May even take a visit back to the Pheonix Club (NAAFI to those who haven't been there).

[Sploosher]

Given what I have just read over on VTSC I'm now completely confused!

Although it doesn't take much, there are folk talking about administrators, has an anouncement been made?

I haven't been over there for a while, and been stressed and snowed under at work.

It is the way the post has been going.
It is a 'What If'.
In posting it though it is totally out of context with the given subject.

Think that was me in the leg change thread, responding to jangor's 'what if' scenario about being stuck legless at Lyneham! Setting a good example as a forum mod - my excuse: I'm following Wedgy's example!

Gully

That was a question I was dreading asking, but thought it had to be done

[Saracenman]

i firmly believe that there's plenty of goodwill left toward 558, and with some very supportive organisations/individuals

I don't subscribe to the "give us money, or 558 dies" line we always hear from Dr. Pleming

VTST might itself die, but 558? i don't think so!

VTST in administration might be exactly the thing that 558 needs - politically incorrect i know, but it's what 'some' believe

sm

[Stigish]

Apologies for my last extremely looooong post, I've just read Bubbles post on VTTS forum which basically makes my point (I'm sure most of you had read it?) . Feel free to remove if it makes more space .

I would like to know if we're ever going to see someone from the trust step into an open, public, face to face forum and be honest with us, instead of hiding behind a computer giving us the same message week, in week out. I know this has been mentioned before but this is really what needs to be done in my opinion.

The trust are fully aware of what is being said on all avaition forums I'm sure. Why ignore it, come out and be honest, listen to what people think. You walk into any pub and you will find a plumber, a builder, a mechanic, a salesman, an MD...................basically a lot of useful people. There are over 8,000 members (old quote) and I'm sure there are some people that would be bloody useful to the trust who are hiding in the shadows, who would love to offer even more in addition to the already large amount of people already involved. I would love to get involved if I had something unique / worth offering apart from cash.

Maybe we should get Matt Allwright on the case

[Yorkie]

Given what I have just read over on VTSC I'm now completely confused!

Although it doesn't take much, there are folk talking about administrators, has an anouncement been made?

I haven't been over there for a while, and been stressed and snowed under at work.

It is the way the post has been going.
It is a 'What If'.
In posting it though it is totally out of context with the given subject.

Think that was me in the leg change thread, responding to jangor's 'what if' scenario about being stuck legless at Lyneham! Setting a good example as a forum mod - my excuse: I'm following Wedgy's example!

Gully

All makes sense now, I only read the last page and then was trying to find other info.... (reminder to self to read all posts)

I like SM believe that 558 will survive, whether the current administration will is another question.

hopefully whatever the outcome, the bridges that have been burnt can be repaired,

[P.eames]

In response to Panel 10's statement

No Vulcan, NO Education.

Bloodhound SSC Has not even been built yet and look at their education programme!

Education and engagement - Inspiring the next generation

BLOODHOUND SSC provides us with a once in a lifetime opportunity to inspire the next generation of scientists and engineers. The BLOODHOUND Education Programme will be available to all pupils from primary and secondary schools, and to students in further and higher education. Alongside the education programme will be a series of activities outside the school environment, which will engage more broadly with society.

How do schools, colleges, families - and other groups - become involved

To join the Bloodhound Education Programme, you first need to register your organisation. This will then enable you to download our education ideas and get you started. We will send you 2 free posters and a flyer, and be in touch with you as soon as we can and help you get the best experience out of BLOODHOUND SSC. Click here and register now!

If you would like to contact the BLOODHOUND SSC Education Team directly to discuss ways that your organisation can be involved or use our project's resources, then you can email any of the following people:

* Dave Rowley, Education Programme Director, at dave.rowley@bloodhoundssc.com
* Dawn Fitt, Education Delivery Director, at dawn.fitt@bloodhoundssc.com
* Ian Galloway, Education Director, at ian.galloway@bloodhoundssc.com
* Kate Bellingham, Education Ambassador, at kate.bellingham@bloodhoundssc.com

Why do we need a BLOODHOUND Education Programme?

In the UK, and many of the developed countries worldwide, there is a shortage of scientists, engineers and mathematicians and we therefore urgently need our young people to be motivated to enjoy and study science, technology, engineering and maths (STEM) subjects at school and then at university. The BLOODHOUND Project is endeavouring to be the catalyst through which young people will acquire the skills and develop innovative talents that will enable them to overcome the challenges we face on a global scale.
Higher Education

The BLOODHOUND Project offers a unique opportunity to provide university level engineering and technology students with access to real design challenges and test data as the project develops. BLOODHOUND@University is run by a group of academics from the University of the West of England, (UWE), Swansea University, University of Southampton and also has input from the EPSRC.

Yes, this eduation programme sounds alot like what the trust had planned (stop me if I'm wrong), the difference is the Bloodhound SSC education programme will be successful from the outset as they know how important it is for the success of the project. They've all been there with Thrust SSC and look how successful that was.

I say no more .

That was pointed out to him over on the Vulcan To The Sky ( we hope) forum with very little success.

[Stigish]

Thus my last post
I might just sit back and watch for a while, I seem to be a bit behind the times today

[P.eames]

My apologies, i seem to be even further behind than you!

from reading this thread and the one over on the Vulcan board the whole Education project seems little more than a fraudulent attempt to extract money from the Lottery.

[Xplumberlives]

I think an appropriate term might be paying lip service!

[Bovril]

Is the education programme just about the vulcan and the cold war?.. it doesnt have to be, it can also show what great engineers can achieve in all forms of engineering... they could do hands on training seasons in airframes/metal woking etc.. at 655 we try to give as much information as we know about the vulcan and the vulcans role in the coldwar when visitors come and see her. If visitors have an intresest in any of the work we are doing at the time want to know more, we try to answer any questions they throw at us.

[Saracenman]

oh Bovril, you're SO right - that's what I've been saying for over two years now, and also why i spent so much time trying to get VTST to see why a link between us and A1 Steam Trust's Tornado - both have so many parallels in British Engineering Excellence

but after two years (since 14th December 2007 actually) still bugger all has happened

and look what publicity Tornado has enjoyed

i saw the bigger picture a LONG time ago - VTST just don't get it

sm

[Hungry Haggis]

Given what I have just read over on VTSC I'm now completely confused!

Although it doesn't take much, there are folk talking about administrators, has an anouncement been made?

I haven't been over there for a while, and been stressed and snowed under at work.

It is the way the post has been going.
It is a 'What If'.
In posting it though it is totally out of context with the given subject.

Think that was me in the leg change thread, responding to jangor's 'what if' scenario about being stuck legless at Lyneham! Setting a good example as a forum mod - my excuse: I'm following Wedgy's example!

Gully

That was a question I was dreading asking, but thought it had to be done

The stuck legless @ Lyneham bit does sound a bit worrying doesn't it Somehow I do not think that will be allowed to happen Either by TVOC or even the RAF seing as Lyneham is on the cards for closure in the near future unless the MOD sees some sence in not over crowding Brize .Can't see them wanting an aircraft stuck in a hanger on an empty airfield somehow.If it did go as far as that then The trust etc are bigger pratts than I already think they are .

In all this I hope everyone Never forgets it is Taff and his hard working Gang of Engineers That do everything in their power to Put 558 where she belongs & on the whole we are all behind them in their endevours.

It is this hand to mouth Funding farce that lets them down .I am sure I have said ths before but can't remember where ,They should have begun fundraising for the flying phase at least 2 years before first flight and even now should be raising funds for 2011 & 2012 Seasons not bumbling along trying to screw every penny out of a small number of people who I'm sure can't keep giving what they have not got .I know from my own experience up this end of the woods that very few people are aware that there is a Charity called Vulcan to the Sky and those that may are tighter than a ducks rear.