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Re: Lightning photos

Postby 320psi » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:52 am

Saracenman wrote:what's the story behind XR724 then 320? i always thought that she was still at Binbrook because she had been stranded there - i never realised that she was ferry-flown from Warton in 1991! :-o

what's that all about then?

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Oh sm thats a long story mate, heres my shortened and less political version ;)

As I said above she was transfered to Warton from Binbrook in 87 along with 904, 773 and 928 to give 693 a hand on the foxhunter radar trails.

She was the highest in the FI stakes so for some reason (which Ive never found out) was flown to Shawbury in 1989 for storage, her engines, jet pipes and other bits were then removed and sent back to Warton to keep the others flying.
BAE then put her up for tender and the Lightning flying club based at Exeter and rebuilding at the time XS451 (aka Barry Power, thats another story) along with hundreds of share holders of the Lightning association, which was created to buy and bring 724 back to Binbrook, headed by a chap who is now the only serious one left, Charles Ross
They sold litterally hundreds of £100 shares to anyone who wanted a share on the back of their line at the time 'put a lightning back in the air in the uk', ummmmmmm, done home work, not.

Anyway, in 89/90 a deal was struck with BAE that 724 would be brought back to flight with BAE's spare flight worthy engines,pipes etc and they would recovered them once she was back at Binbrook, Barry, his crew and BAE guys spent many hours at Shawbury bringing her back to life.

And in the spring of 91 she made her last flight in the hands of Peter Gordon Johnson (BAE test pilot) back to Binbrook.
Her engines and pipes were removed again and then back to Warton, the Lightning association then got some engines and pipes from Barry and brought her back to taxing at Binbrook, they held little open days and used the runway a few times like we do, but of course as the 90's and 2000's went on Binbrook shrank, peri tracks and runways dug up returned to the farmers, Q shed left on its own in the field etc.
So she was marronned, on a small piece of the old ASP where the tower once stood (burnt out and then demolished in 1992)
She had some time in the hangars, but with differing landlords and companies leasing them the 'air' was not good, so she has spent most of her time outside, but with a different group of people around her than us, share holders fell out, nobody got on with the job of just looking after her.

And so she now stands there today, not staticly run since, I think early 2007.
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Charles Ross is still very active and looks after her best interests, but you cant look after a 'running' Ligtning on your own, there is however talk of repainting her and getting her back to running again, but the politics surrounding her and the Binbrook site are complex.

Hey ho ;)

Some piccies for you of that delivery day

She touches down for the last time at a very over grown Binbrook

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Taxies round to the ASP

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Shut down, Peter climbs out and Geoff Commings is in the nose wheel bay fitting the lock

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Some of the 'movers' in her recovery, most of them still around,though not directly with 724, apart from the grey haired guy in blue overalls, Baz Livesly RIP (a lovely chap who knew everything about lightnings)

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And later in the day

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Shame, I think she was a victim of two many chiefs, but shes still around, though is danger of occasional vandlisum

Short enough ? ;)
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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Wedgy » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:26 am

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Bottom right ..... Iceman was one of the movers? :-o

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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Saracenman » Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:23 pm

thanks for that 320 - never knew ANY of that!

it sounds like they all started out with the best intentions - but were far too optimistic! they clearly didn't do their homework properly with any of it did they? surely there were concerns about the fate of Binbrook - even at the time she was flown back????????

so what happened ultimately to all the spares used for the ferry-flight? what did BAe do with them in the end? South Africa i guess?

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Re: Lightning photos

Postby 320psi » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:27 pm

Saracenman wrote:thanks for that 320 - never knew ANY of that!

it sounds like they all started out with the best intentions - but were far too optimistic! they clearly didn't do their homework properly with any of it did they? surely there were concerns about the fate of Binbrook - even at the time she was flown back????????

so what happened ultimately to all the spares used for the ferry-flight? what did BAe do with them in the end? South Africa i guess?

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Hi sm, sorry for the delay in answering, busy day today at Brunty ;)

Yeh they did start with all the best intentions, but it was all so far sighted, with no serious money behind it, hardly any spares and like I said above a large group of people who could never agree, its was knackered from day one, and yes everone knew where Binbrook was going, knowhere, such a shame, I hope someone jumps in and saves her.
God knows how and how much it would cost though, I dread to think

The engines and pipes went back to Warton, assume they ended up in either 904,773,693 or 928 or like you say went out to SAfrica when Ernie Whittle, Barry Pover and Mike Beachyhead brought the aircraft and the spares holding.

Hey ho ;)
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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Saracenman » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:39 pm

well as you've said before 320 - you can't save 'em all :(

thanks for the background though - all highly interesting i must say :)

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Re: Lightning photos

Postby 320psi » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:10 pm

Few more ;)


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XR770, AA Andy Williams aircraft up untill the end of 5sdq in Aug 87, she was donated to the people of Grimsby by John Spencer and the RAF, painted up as XR728 JS and then spent the next 20 years sat in a field at Gainthorpe as 770 again, she has recently been saved by 5sdq at Waddo, stripped and roaded to Waddo, where she currently stands on her gear again, awaiting some cash to be able to bring her back to a cosmetic standard, we hope to have her by the side of our stall over the waddo airshow weekend in July ;)
A first for us to attend a big show

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I love this shot, its so 'Binbrook'

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Our 728 in 56 makings, lovely ;)

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Chute failed to release, a common thing, even happens to us ;)

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I love the all green, 92sdq scheme :)

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Cheers ;)
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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Spitfire » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:13 pm

Some nice pics there :ymapplause: :ymapplause:
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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Mackrick » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:18 pm

Fantastic Andy keep em coming mate :ymapplause: :ymapplause:
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Re: Lightning photos

Postby 320psi » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:34 pm

Few more for you

BA XS903, the last black finned 11sqd 'boss bird' Jake Jarron being the last boss of 11, he flew her to Elvington in early 88 she was partly spraes recovered and still stand there today

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T5 XS417, the Lightning that holds to sad record of being the last to leave binbrook, on a trailor in bits, she is now at Newark air museum

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The Black finned boss bird XR725 at the last last lightning show in Aug 87 prior to 903 taking her place, she is now preserved in Charles Ross's garden in Binbrook village

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Hope your enjoying ;)


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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Pujgnie » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:54 pm

Methinks Andy has a picture of every Lightning ever to have flown.... !!!!! :D. Are there any he has NOT got ?
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Re: Lightning photos

Postby 320psi » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:17 pm

Pujgnie wrote:Methinks Andy has a picture of every Lightning ever to have flown.... !!!!! :D. Are there any he has NOT got ?

Hi mate, Im affraid these arent mine, the first ones were, but most of the one Ive posted of late come from an ex CG3 friend, Terry Senior, he spent many more years up there than I and has allowed me access to his considerable collection, what you see is just a small proportion of his collection ;)

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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Xplumberlives » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:35 am

Thanks Andy

Keep 'em coming and please thank Terry for his wonderful record of the LIGHTNINGS!
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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Saracenman » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:51 pm

am i the only one that thinks that Lightnings STILL look modern and current?

all these EXCELLENT pictures could've been taken last week, and they'd still look 'right' B-)

thanks 320 - keep 'em coming please :D

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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Xplumberlives » Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:47 pm

Saracenman wrote:am I the only one that thinks that Lightnings STILL look modern and current?

all these EXCELLENT pictures could've been taken last week, and they'd still look 'right' B-)

thanks 320 - keep 'em coming please :D

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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Mackrick » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:24 pm

More please Andy :D
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Re: Lightning photos

Postby 320psi » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:16 pm

Here we go some more for you

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XS458 now fast taxying at Cranfield

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And XR770 before her AA red fin days

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This is classic Lightning

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XS458 again

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XS899, one of the two Lightnings that were the last to fly from Binbrook in June 88

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XS417 now at Newark air museum ;)

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XS925 now at Hendon

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The Q shed, with two 'live un's'

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XS928 now on Wartons gate

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Cheers
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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Gully » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:19 pm

Wow - stunning! :ymapplause:

Thanks, Andy.

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Re: Lightning photos

Postby 320psi » Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:58 pm

Few more ;)

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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Gully » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:22 pm

Just getting a list of links, Andy?!

As an aside, I was at Hendon a few days ago and noted that XS925 has a plaque on her commemorating the team who took her apart for transportation to Hendon, but also saying "The Last of the Operational Lightnings". Did she make the last squadron flight, then?

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Re: Lightning photos

Postby Saracenman » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:45 pm

320's links need to be Wedgified Gully! ;)

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Re: Lightning photos

Postby 320psi » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:00 pm

Gully wrote:Just getting a list of links, Andy?!

As an aside, I was at Hendon a few days ago and noted that XS925 has a plaque on her commemorating the team who took her apart for transportation to Hendon, but also saying "The Last of the Operational Lightnings". Did she make the last squadron flight, then?

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All sorted now thanks to wedge ;)

Ummm, no thats not quite correct, she went for spares recovery in April 88 and sat in the 11 sdq hangar acting as a spares source untill the end in May when op's finished, all of June's Flights were done by the last 7 servicable Lightnings, 899,898,923,728, 452,458 and 328, these being crew currancy and delivery flights.

899 and 898 took the honour of being the last operational Lightnings, as they were the last to leave Binbrook by air flown by RAF crews and delivered to Cranfield just after we took delivery of 728 ;)

She was however properly (well not quite, her wiring looms were cut with disc cutters) dismantled and rebuilt to cosmetic standard, (which is very high I must say) but only after the 7 were snapped up by 'us' enthusiasts, the RAF then decided to save one, 925 being the best, as she had stood inside ;)

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