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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Richw_82 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:16 am

Hi, its no trouble at all.

There's no schedule of works as such. We have a whiteboard in our room that lists unserviceable items, so we have an 'at a glance' list to work from. We use this as some of our guys work on her whenever they have spare time (evenings in summer, weekdays) and everybody needs to know what the focus is.

You could in theory just concentrate on making sure the engines run, and the brakes work, and go taxying, but that's not our style. We won't be taxying until she is 100% serviceable, so theres a little way to go yet even without the obvious propeller, and the wheel change. For example - We have an inverter needs attention, a new generator to fit to No 2 engine, a noisy port side fuel priming pump, a No 1 engine that gets grumpy under load, seized aileron trim tabs, a small leak in the starboard air crate, V/UHF that receives but won't transmit... and the list goes on. Work gets recorded in new pages for the Form 700, though we are looking at converting to CAA logbooks.

Regarding servicing, there is an AP that we follow (number to follow later..) which is the anti-deterioration schedule for the Shackleton AEW2, which helps keep us on top of servicing as we can't really work by hours flown at the moment.

We've had surprisingly little asked of us by insurers or operators, as we exist in that weird grey area between a static aircraft and flight. We were asked by Classic Flight to get the propellers NDT tested, but other inspections we've initiated ourselves. The pneumatic bottles spring to mind, being x-rayed, boroscoped, etc.

When I tried to get an answer on what the Shackleton was classed as, the closest anybody was willing to classify her was as an engine test rig... :-\

We said very early on that all work gets done as if we are going flying - as its the highest standard, and the safest. One rather good thing to come from the work done on our Shackleton is several members are now pursuing aviation careers and training. If we can get a little more funding in place WR963 has a very bright future.

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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Sploosher » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:26 pm

Thanks for the very informative updates Rich................ :ymapplause:

looking forward to seeing her in action again sometime this year............ \:D/
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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Richw_82 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:33 pm

Hi all,

I thought I'd put these up for interest. I scanned them for a chap on another forum, and it seemed a shame to waste the effort.

Scans from AP101B-1705-15. This is the AEW2 instrument panel illustration and key.

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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby MOD » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:47 pm

Rich someone once said 'The Devil is in the detail'. To me this sort of detail is just Heaven .... More please. ;)

(Any chance of a photo showing the same views?)

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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Richw_82 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:25 am

The plan is eventually to offer APs and drawings for the Shackleton as downloads, to generate a little funding.

Here's some photo's of the panels. They're not great, but without a wide lens you'll struggle to get the whole thing in. The control yokes and the seats get in the way.

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In compensation for the awful photo's, heres a couple more scans from one of the AP's. If ever you wondered how an MR2/AEW2 was put together/came apart, now you know. There's dimensions and weights in there too.

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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby MOD » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:39 am

Thanks Rich.


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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Dan4th » Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:07 am

I am Speechless!

Kind Regards Indeed!

There goes at least two hours............

Danf.

EDIT:::::::::::

But I can't do it until tomorrow!!!!!!!!!

:ymblushing: :ymblushing: :ymblushing:

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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Sploosher » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:03 am

thanks Rich......... ;)

nice to see how she was put together :ymapplause:
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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Blue_2 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:26 pm

Loving the Airfix instructions Rich!!!
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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Richw_82 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:15 pm

They're not bad as instructions go. We even have one that shows where the markings all are applied.

Primarily we use the AP's to avoid confusion. We don't want to put her together wrong - we could end up putting propellers inside spindly little tubes buried in the wing root that belch lighter fuel out the back.

Like this. (I think someone had the instructions upside down..):

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Oh... hang on a moment...

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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Xplumberlives » Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:59 pm

:)) :)) Nice one Rich! :ymapplause:
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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Richw_82 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:00 pm

25th Feb


Almost like summer this Saturday! As a result plenty got done around and on the aircraft with 15 of our team in attendance. Lots of movements about the place, the biggest being DC6 G-APSA leaving her usual spot at the side of WR963 to go in the hangar for a survey. Rumours of who, why, what and where are spreading but it seems the survey is being done in regards to seeing her back in the air again.

Back to the Shack...

First job of the day was to drop the flaps and grease the linkages. They started moaning again on the last run, so a little maintenance won't hurt. I got the short straw of pumping them down, and reminded myself just how high up the hand pump is when I missed one of the undercarraige footpegs coming back out the bay.

Each of the flap links has a couple of grease nipples, so the old was wiped clear, and new grease applied.

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You'll notice in the picture there's one link missing... well, way back in the past one of those links seized, and punched through the flap. A small skin repair was done, and the offending link was cut off. Its one of the many small jobs on the list that need attending to, but the hunt is now on in our store for a spare.

More new spark plugs are being fitted; here's an old one against a new one:

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The new ones are NOT aviation plugs. They are Champion RSL87Y, and have been selected for their suitability for what we are doing with the aircraft - ground/taxi runs. They have been used in several display engines and are more resistant to fouling at the low power we use.

Getting them in is a 'fun' job... remember how the inlets were difficult to get to under the intake manifolds? The exhaust plugs are located under the exhaust manifolds, so getting to them is just as interesting. No 3 engine is done, and No 1 engine now has its exhaust set done, with the inlets getting their turn next week.

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Front doors open again. This is for the obvious reason; we're looking at putting them back to use. The drawings have been consulted, which threw up some surprises, as it looks like Hawker Siddeley Aviation went and doodled over the top of the original Avro drawings then allocated a new number to them to make the AEW2.

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There is enough left to work from which allowed us to see how the doors are constructed, in particular the 'spar' which runs through the centre of the door. Fortunately for us, it made up of several smaller assemblies, so we can connect the doors togather again. Even better was the discovery that the rib profiles for the door are symmetrical from front to rear.

Parts are now being gathered such as mountings, rams, lines and switches ready to put the doors back to full length. Also the first prop parts have arrived on site, some brand new oil tubes, which are now fitted into the engine.

Interesting visitors today were several members of the Jon Egging Trust, who the SPT hope to be able to assist in the future.


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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Dan4th » Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:46 pm

The old girl looks Gleeful in
that last pic!

See the smile just behind the "M"?

You think she knows what's
going on??????

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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Richw_82 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:55 pm

Dumb as it sounds, you tend to find that the more maintenance she gets the better her temper; and that she will get stage fright before a big event which usually means she goes unserviceable and sits the event out. 2010 Night run being a prime example...

Logic says 963 is just a machine. Heart says theres too many people over the 57 years that have put heart and soul into keeping her going for her to be inanimate. I hope she knows whats going on. I hope she remembers the young lad that vowed to help her in any way he could back in 1998 when she was a parts 'christmas tree' and is now making good on his promise.
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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Xplumberlives » Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:27 pm

Great news, thanks Rich! :ymapplause:
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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Sploosher » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:01 pm

Thanks again for the update Rich................. :D

I agree with Dan4th, that is a definate grin she has there................ :ymapplause:

EDIT... What do you think the chances are of G-APSA being able to give passenger flights....... ;)
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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Richw_82 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:28 pm

No idea regarding G-APSA's use if she passes her survey. Given the troubles regarding DC3 passenger operation, I think it would be unlikely.

If any more info comes my way, I'll pass it on.

G-APSA has since had her survey, and will be returning to flight

Regards,

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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Richw_82 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:38 pm

Not much happened today, with only a few of our guys in. As a result I was pretty much left to crack on with tasks on WR963 on my own for a change. Once the rain had stopped I set to with the plug tools and got the No 4 engine's exhaust spark plugs changed. This leaves us with a set of inlets to do on it, so we'll be doing a ground run before long. The afternoon was brighter, and due to how quiet it was I was able to have a good chat with Ian (MOD) when he arrived.

The rainy morning wasn't wasted though, it was spent looking through various old servicing logs, which tunred up this entry which made me chuckle...

Entry from WR963's Form 700, dated 10/06/91...

"No 4 engine starter motor required percussion adjustment to turn engine."

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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Xplumberlives » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:02 pm

Bring on the Birmingham Screwdriver!
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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Blue_2 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:36 pm

Spark plugs? Water leaks? Is it not a BL car you're working on Rich?!
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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Richw_82 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:13 pm

Come to think of it, there are some similarities. :))
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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Richw_82 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:36 pm

63 years ago today, the first test flight of the prototype Avro Shackleton took place at the hands of Avro's Chief Test Pilot J.H. "Jimmy" Orrell.

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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Richw_82 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:26 am

10 Mar

Well, the hangar time is drawing ever closer so the work to get a mainwheel pair together has been stepped up. We've spoken to people about the loan of suitably rated jacks, and we've secured the help of an ex Fleet Air Arm (so he reckons 963 won't bite him =)) ) engineer to supervise the jacking.

The main effort of the day was to get some mainwheels to the front of the store. The original plan was to pick the two best looking units - but it was quickly evident that even the best pair would need stripping after 20 years in storage. They were also too heavy at over 800lbs each to move by hand around the delicate obstacle course that is the store.

A new plan was arrived at. We'll build up two units from new old stock components.

Two new Dunlop mainwheel tyres were picked off the banded pile, the newest ones we have. Two brand new Dunlop inner tubes. Two brand new axles were located, still in the boxes. The crate of brake units has been raided and the best of the components selected.

That left us looking for the all important hubs. Walking around the store, we noticed a pallet on which sat a large hub sized, bundle wrapped in polythene marked "Shack". We carefully unwrapped it and our suspicions were confirmed, we had found 1 x brand new Shackleton wheel hub, without a hint of corrosion on it. Our search intensified. A packing box was located with the all important numbers on the side.. another new hub! :D

Back on WR963, progress is still being made on fitting the new spark plugs. The inlet plugs are always more difficult being underneath the inlet manifolds, and this has slowed us down somewhat. We've also got a couple of niggles to fix on No 4 engine - the crankcase pressure warning switch failed on the last run, and a nasty bit of corrosion has been spotted on the base of the coolant tank which needs immediate attention.

We've also had the delivery of two new wingtip navigation lights, so we can repair the broken starboard lamp. This means persuading yet another stubborn access panel open, but it will be one more item off the list, and one more of the 600 odd access panels unseized and fitted with new screws.

More of the same next week...

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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Kermit » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:40 am

Progress or what ! Well done all of you, what luck to have found all the wanted components ! Fingers crossed the following work goes just as well. No doubt the good weather helped too ! Thanks for the report, fascinating as always :)
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Re: Shackleton WR963

Postby Richw_82 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:04 am

We have a manifest that lists what items we have, so we knew what was in store, but there are some bits showing up that are unlisted, so the cataloguing was not comprehensive when it was done.

Where items are is another matter! Its most annoying to be confronted by a 30 ft stack of packing boxes with no markings or labels, there is a real amount of buried treasure in our store. Recently we found some new undercarraige bearers.

Now if we find some spar booms in there...
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