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Shortest TakeOff.

Postby PhantomAviator » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:20 am

I was asked a question uesterday, of which I could not give an answer, (or at least if I had it would have been incorrect).

The question was.
'What is the shortest recorded distance a Vulcan has taken off from?
As in not what is the standard runway length for Vulcan take off but the shortest actual recorded from wheel rotation to all off the ground.
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Mayfly » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:08 am

One of the shortest I've seen was first flight after restoration she just seemed to leap in the air but then again she was so much light than her counterparts used to be.
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Xplumberlives » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:59 am

Mayfly wrote:One of the shortest I've seen was first flight after restoration she just seemed to leap in the air but then again she was so much light than her counterparts used to be.




Yes indeed that initial leap into the air by D.T without 30,000lbs of unneccessary weight was truly wonderful!
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Spitfire » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:40 am

Yes that was pretty short - and one of the very best videos to date ....Brilliant camera position - steady - and very clear view :D

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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Mayfly » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:58 am

Gosh that seems so long ago now, and a lot of water and has passed under the bridge since then!!
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Spitfire » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:34 pm

=)) =)) =)) My wife say 'Gosh' a lot .. it must be a generational thing - we were brought up on the Famous Five - golly gosh and lashings of ginger beer and cook's made a cake :D :D :D
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby RLN » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:42 pm

And Fanny's your aunt. :))
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Mayfly » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:23 pm

Spitfire wrote:=)) =)) =)) My wife say 'Gosh' a lot .. it must be a generational thing - we were brought up on the Famous Five - golly gosh and lashings of ginger beer and cook's made a cake :D :D :D


RLN wrote:And Fanny's your aunt. :))



=)) =)) =))
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Xplumberlives » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:40 pm

Could one of you older types explain the strange things you're mentioning! :p
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby PhantomAviator » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:44 pm

Back on topic.

The question was refering to when the Vulcan was operational.

They would like to know.

What was the shortest distance ever recorded for a operational take-off, from wheel rotation to all off the ground?

Yes, 558 probably holds the record for the shortest take-off for a non-operational, non full weight Vulcan but that does not answer the original question.
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Jigsaw » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:49 pm

Humour sucks eh? No place for that sort of thing chaps (and chapette). Be serious you silly lot :p :D

I wouldn't mind knowing the answer though (if there is one available).

I did and always will like the above clip though :ymapplause:
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Mayfly » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:51 pm

Sorry, you didn't mention the word operational in the original post ;)

TBH I doubt if any T/O were ever measured, I can't think why would they be unless they were doing trials for something?
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby PhantomAviator » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:44 pm

Mayfly wrote:Sorry, you didn't mention the word operational in the original post ;)

TBH I doubt if any T/O were ever measured, I can't think why would they be unless they were doing trials for something?



Sorry, my fault for missing that out.

As I have said, it is not my question but one of someone else's who is very interested in finding out.
And to be honest it has me wondering now also.
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Mayfly » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:11 pm

It's one of those difficult to fathom questions really because because you always think of airfields in terms of LDAs or TODAs not what you actually use.

The VDF had special permission to land at Jersey from air command & 558 from the CAA for Coventry which I guess are 2 of the shortest runways that have been used but neither operationally.

DTs ODM states 201 engines, fully fuelled, unarmed, no head wind, no slope, 3,600' - but that only gives you a ball park figure & not an actual shortest distance.
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Jigsaw » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:15 pm

201's or 301's could also be thrown into the equation I suppose.

A simple (it would seem) question. The answer? Not so simple.

Certainly got my interest.

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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Mayfly » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:20 pm

yeah sorry that is 201 engines!! will add to the above post!
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Olicat » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:15 pm

Spitfire wrote:Yes that was pretty short - and one of the very best videos to date ....Brilliant camera position - steady - and very clear view :D



if someone super-imposed a eurofighter on top of the vulcan and added a "fighter-jet-soundtrack" i'd believe it was genuine!
that mustve been amazing to see! B-)
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Mayfly » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:29 pm

Oli it was a day I will never forget & well worth the 14 year wait!!
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Olicat » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:30 pm

wish id been there now!
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Xplumberlives » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:04 am

Jigsaw wrote:201's or 301's could also be thrown into the equation I suppose.

A simple (it would seem) question. The answer? Not so simple.

Certainly got my interest.

If only we knew someone that was married to an ex Vulcan pilot ~x( :p



(if it were that simple we would have the answer by now) ~x(




But he's been in the loft! ;)
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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Crew chief » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:59 am

I should think that a 301 powered aircraft with 20,000lbs of fuel onboard and the engines turned back up so they push out their full 80,000lbs of thrust i would suspect an almost Lightning style take off.



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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Jigsaw » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:11 am

Crew chief wrote:I should think that a 301 powered aircraft with 20,000lbs of fuel onboard and the engines turned back up so they push out their full 80,000lbs of thrust i would suspect an almost Lightning style take off.



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Re: Shortest TakeOff.

Postby Mayfly » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:24 am

Crew chief wrote:I should think that a 301 powered aircraft with 20,000lbs of fuel onboard and the engines turned back up so they push out their full 80,000lbs of thrust i would suspect an almost Lightning style take off.



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