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Lightning story

Postby Spitfire » Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:42 am

I have just seen this little bit of text attached to a video on youtube.....

Also during a British Airways trial, NATO member nations were invited to attempt to intercept Concorde, the only aircraft to succeed was again Flt Lt Hale in his personal Lightning, XR749, he intercepted the Concorde in a tailchase intercept, pulling alongside a stunned BA crew at M 2.25


Now I didn't know any of that and was a tad suspicious - so I googled it .......and blow me its right :ymapplause: :ymapplause:

October, 2004
LIGHTNING vs CONCORDE

The Lightning that once overtook Concorde was described as 'the best of the best' by Flt Lt Mike Hale at the roll-out ceremony for XR749 at Teeside Airport on September 28th 1995. Now an instructor with 56 Sqn at Coningsby, Mike flew 80 sorties in XR749 after the aircraft was allocated to 11 Squadron at Binbrook. He has a particular affection for the aircraft: "The Lightning was an exceptional aircraft in every respect, but XR749 was one of the best of the best. It is probably the best aircraft that I will ever have had the privilege to fly. Because of her tail code BM, she was known as 'Big Mother', although the tail code changed to BO for her last few months on 11 before joining the LTF in January 1985. She was a very hot ship, even for a Lightning. She remained my aircraft for all her time on 11 Sqn despite my being entitled to an F6 as I moved up the squadron pecking order. I invariably asked for her to be allocated to me for the major exercises such as MALLET BLOW, OSEX, and ELDER FOREST despite her being a short range F3 - there were invariably plenty of tankers about!"

His memories include the time in April 1984, during a squadron exchange at Binbrook, when he and XR749 participated in unofficial time-to-height and acceleration trials against F-104 Starfighters from Aalborg. The Lightnings won all races easily, with the exception of the low level supersonic acceleration, which was a dead-heat. This is not surprising when the records show that the year before on one sortie XR749 accelerated to Mach 2.3 (1500 mph) in September 1983.

It was also in 1984, during a major NATO exercise that he intercepted an American U-2 at 66,000 ft, a height which they had previously considered safe from interception. Shortly before this intercept, he flew a zoom climb to 88,000 ft and, later that year, he was able to sustain FL550 while flying subsonic. Life was not entirely without problems, however, as in a three month period his No 2 engine seized in flight and its replacement failed during a take-off when intake panelling on the inside of the aircraft became detached and was sucked into the engine.

In April 1985, British Airways were trialling a Concorde up and down the North Sea. When they offered it as a target to NATO fighters, Mike and his team spent the night before in the hangar polishing XR749 which he borrowed from the LTF for the occasion, and the next day overhauled Concorde at 57,000 ft and travelling at Mach 2.2 by flying a stern conversion intercept. "Everyone had a bash - F-15s, F-16s, F-14s, Mirages, F-104s - but only the Lightning managed to overhaul Concorde from behind".

In October 1985, XR749 represented the LTF on the tenth anniversary of that unit's formation. It was given a new colour scheme - light grey underside, dark grey upperside, with the spine and tail fin dark blue. It was the only Lightning to be so coloured, and then only for two months, but that is now its permanent livery at Teeside Airport.


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No doubt you services types will have known this all along - but I was amazed and make no apology for posting this :D :p
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Re: Lightning story

Postby Jigsaw » Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:19 am

I'm glad you posted that mate. Very interesting read. Thanks :ymapplause:
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Re: Lightning story

Postby Xplumberlives » Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:21 am

Yeah, good innit! ;)
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Re: Lightning story

Postby RLN » Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:57 am

That's why it's my favourite craft. Supercruise (Yanks shout about it with the F22 - just a few years too late). Initial rate of climb - 50,000ft/min. To put it in perspective, it would be like travelling in a lift from the ground floor to the 5,000th floor in a minute. There are many superlatives about the Lightning, based on good old '50s technology all done with slide rules and drawing boards.
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Re: Lightning story

Postby Xplumberlives » Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:37 am

RLN wrote:That's why it's my favourite craft. Supercruise (Yanks shout about it with the F22 - just a few years too late). Initial rate of climb - 50,000ft/min. To put it in perspective, it would be like travelling in a lift from the ground floor to the 5,000th floor in a minute. There are many superlatives about the Lightning, based on good old '50s technology all done with slide rules and drawing boards.



And BLOKES in SHEDS!!!!!!! ;)
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Re: Lightning story

Postby Mags » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:45 am

I remember reading about that on SST some time back. Wonder if any photos were taken.
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Re: Lightning story

Postby Lucas1860 » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:00 pm

Great account, from the days when Britain was Great. :)
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Re: Lightning story

Postby RLN » Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:02 pm

Xplumberlives wrote:
RLN wrote:That's why it's my favourite craft. Supercruise (Yanks shout about it with the F22 - just a few years too late). Initial rate of climb - 50,000ft/min. To put it in perspective, it would be like travelling in a lift from the ground floor to the 5,000th floor in a minute. There are many superlatives about the Lightning, based on good old '50s technology all done with slide rules and drawing boards.



And BLOKES in SHEDS!!!!!!! ;)



Absolutely. Compared to today's facilities our Golden Age of the Aircraft Industry (Coomercial & Military) was carried out in sheds. :ymapplause:
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Re: Lightning story

Postby Sooty655 » Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:33 pm

Presumably he was able to achieve the feat because he didn't have the drag/weight of actually carrying weapons to hold him back, and he had called in his low fuel emergency before takeoff so it didn't delay him in flight. :p ;) :ymdevil:
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Re: Lightning story

Postby Sploosher » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:57 pm

Great story.................my father used to work on them at Leconfield,(before they changed to Jaguars) and out in Cyprus......

He described it as a rocket with wings..................... :ymapplause:
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