

That large sponsor has never arrived
We've been looking - really hard - honest ...and this is where we looked and this is who we asked .....With our reluctant acceptance that the corporate ‘knight in shining armour’ may never arrive, we knew it was time to massively increase the number of people we were in contact with.



PhantomAviator wrote:I like this Butterfly Effect.
However, lets be truthful here, over the past years it has not been the Butterfly effect that has kept her going.
It has been the last minute saviour.
Last Year I understand it was due to a supporter passing away and leaving the money in their will.
Or was this information incorrect?
Who will be the saviour this year?
Bear in mind it is an 82 million bumper payout on the Euromillions tonight.
If I win I will at least give it a few minutes thought when the excitment of winning has passed.
I await the next thing which is normally the follow on to the announcements.
The Pledges.
Will people please form an orderly queue and await for the announcement to be made asking for these.
I estimate that it will be sometime around about the 14th when the request will appear.


Crew chief wrote:At last they seem to have taken their heads out of the sand and realised whats going on.As for 558's new home i bet some where in the midlands would be good,close to all their spares and handy for most to travel and visit.
cc.




Mayfly wrote:I think personally think the pie charts are ambiguous - is that the word I'm looking for? Tho' I don't understand the world of finance or accounts!!![]()
It states staff costs, not 'salaries' so does that include other things like accommodation for when they are away or overalls/flying suits or does that all come in 'operational costs'?
TBH honest I don't wish to know what the engineers earn that's their business, but would like know what these 'costs' include and what segment they are in.

PhantomAviator wrote:
Thanks Mayfly.
I was just wondering how they got on with the projected figures and what they actually recieved.
Also looking at the staff cost.
£394,565 for the year.
With only 15 actual employees.
Average at £26,305 per employee.
But I am sure the one's on 10K less would love to have been paid more.
This also does not take into account the amount for Management and Admin salaries and other overheads as they are listed seperately as £111,538.
I have only based it on figures readily available though so my calculations may be a fair bit out.
Also the above figures used are the one's given by VTST as Staff costs exc Aircrew.
Bear in mind that the projected and the actual for these were different, in the plus side for the actual.
The hangar, Office rental and relocation amounted to £120,070, which was again on the plus side against the projected.
Wonder what next years projections will be?






Mayfly wrote:*faints* ...*thud*![]()
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That's 3 times now Jiggy!!!! you been drinking again?





Mayfly wrote:It states staff costs, not 'salaries' so does that include other things like accommodation for when they are away or overalls/flying suits or does that all come in 'operational costs'?
The Butterfly Effect wrote:We are looking to sign-up 10,000 new Standing Orders of at least £5.58 per month. With Gift Aid, these will cover two thirds of the ‘gap’ until XH558 is expected to run out of airframe and/or engine life around 2013/14.


Sooty655 wrote:Mayfly wrote:It states staff costs, not 'salaries' so does that include other things like accommodation for when they are away or overalls/flying suits or does that all come in 'operational costs'?
Don't know about expenses for accommodation, etc. Where that is shown would depend how they have broken up the accounts. However, it is important to remember that "Staff costs" will definitely include things like employers national insurance contributions.


Sooty655 wrote:Mayfly wrote:It states staff costs, not 'salaries' so does that include other things like accommodation for when they are away or overalls/flying suits or does that all come in 'operational costs'?
Don't know about expenses for accommodation, etc. Where that is shown would depend how they have broken up the accounts. However, it is important to remember that "Staff costs" will definitely include things like employers national insurance contributions.
My guess is that if you want to work out average salaries, you need to take off somewhere around 15%.The Butterfly Effect wrote:We are looking to sign-up 10,000 new Standing Orders of at least £5.58 per month. With Gift Aid, these will cover two thirds of the ‘gap’ until XH558 is expected to run out of airframe and/or engine life around 2013/14.
My worry with this, as with previous initiatives, is that the target of 10,000 new standing order has been chosen because it produces the income they want, not because there is any reason to believe the number is possible.
Targets are only worthwhile if there is a realistic chance of achieving them. A less serious example of the same thinking is the "World record birthday card". The ridiculous target was 558,000 signatures - from all of this year they have achieved 10701, or less than 2%.
The suggestion now seems to be that there are as many people prepared to commit money every month as there are people prepared to post one birthday message (at no cost) on the website.



Sooty655 wrote:Sorry, PA, but the figures you are quoting from the direct.gov website are the thresh-holds for application of various rates, not the rates to be paid. If you check the hmrc website, you will find the rate for most types/bands is 12.8%

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