Portrush & Cosby

[Minty4371]

No flights today due to bad weather .

In 2011
3 shows cancelled due to bad weather
8 shows cancelled due to technical problems (6 for fuel leak, 2 for hydraulic leak)
16 shows completed successfully
1 show left to go .

[Lucas1860]

A very hit and miss affair.

Jim.

[Dan4th]

You have to wonder how the lost income
from displays and the added expense of
repairs will affect the financial outlook.....

Not to be negative, but there it is!

Danf.

[Minty4371]

The displays this year followed the following routine.
4 displays complete;
1 display lost due to bad weather;
12 displays complete;
6 displays lost due to fuel leak;
2 displays lost due to hydraulic problem;
2 displays lost due to bad weather;
1 display left next Saturday at Leuchars.
I too wonder how much money has been lost.

[Hula-Hoop]

Yea the Vulcan was a no show at the victory but the invisible one did drop and do the bombing run

[Mayfly]

That was the Stealth version HH

[VulcanXH558]

I think yet again its an absolute JOKE! that the Vulcan never turned up at Cosby, the twitter feeds throughout the day was also a joke, one minute saying its departing at 12 then they say holding for weather, then they were waiting for a weather gap, then waiting they were speaking to met office for 1 hour, then they say weather OK for take off and THEN they say cancelled to poor weather. MAKE YOUR MIND UP!!!!!!
I cant beleave people who get PAID for telling us this rubbish with our money.
Now i spent £50 on todays event, knowing the Vulcan would turn up and the fault being fixed. But i guessed i should have known better!
I understand the Vulcan has to be carefull with the what weather it flys in but come on it was a fantastic sunny afternoon with not even any wind!
I also looked at the met office and the weather was good from 1pm over Conningsby and Cosby, and surprise, surprise it was and i even looked up into the sky and it was BLUE and SUNNY!
Why the Vulcan Trust needs to take 1 hour to find this out ill never know.

Im sorry too go on but i think the Vulcan and the trust are just a massive money making scheme and dont care about the paying public at these airshows

PS I heard the Lancaster done a fantastic display Saturday, and deserves more of our support!

[Bovril]

I think yet again its an absolute JOKE! that the Vulcan never turned up at Cosby, the twitter feeds throughout the day was also a joke, one minute saying its departing at 12 then they say holding for weather, then they were waiting for a weather gap, then waiting they were speaking to met office for 1 hour, then they say weather OK for take off and THEN they say cancelled to poor weather. MAKE YOUR MIND UP!!!!!!
I cant beleave people who get PAID for telling us this rubbish with our money.
Now i spent £50 on todays event, knowing the Vulcan would turn up and the fault being fixed. But i guessed i should have known better!
I understand the Vulcan has to be carefull with the what weather it flys in but come on it was a fantastic sunny afternoon with not even any wind!
I also looked at the met office and the weather was good from 1pm over Conningsby and Cosby, and surprise, surprise it was and i even looked up into the sky and it was BLUE and SUNNY!
Why the Vulcan Trust needs to take 1 hour to find this out ill never know.

Im sorry too go on but i think the Vulcan and the trust are just a massive money making scheme and dont care about the paying public at these airshows

PS I heard the Lancaster done a fantastic display Saturday, and deserves more of our support!

it doesnt matter what the weather is doing over the show, its what its doing elsewhere and if is due to become bad an prevent her getting home etc..

[Mayfly]

It wasn't good here, I live 8 miles from Coningsby - it was forecast to be wet from 1pm on wards. At 10.30 the weather clamped in at the cloud was very low and drizzling and the rain got progressively heavier, it then started to brighten up about 1pm but you could see further south the front 558 would need to get through to get to Cosby, and by 3pm it was almost as black as night again.


Check my posts I made earlier.

[Mags]

Remember 558 (CAA rules) has to fly VFR..........same as a PPL - weather en route can be a big issue.

[Dan4th]

I just think it's unfortunate that the
season hasn't been as successful as
it perhaps could have been......

Nobody's at fault, but the more people
who see and hear her......well, you get
my drift.......

I'm going to assume that getting her
off of VFR is a non-starter, not that
558 ought to be flying in bad weather.....

You'd think, though, that at least SOME
provision for occasional instrument
flying might be useful AND contribute
to safety.

558 IS a Stout Aircraft, after all......

Onwards and Upwards!

Danf.

[Nickolas]

I think yet again its an absolute JOKE! that the Vulcan never turned up at Cosby, the twitter feeds throughout the day was also a joke, one minute saying its departing at 12 then they say holding for weather, then they were waiting for a weather gap, then waiting they were speaking to met office for 1 hour, then they say weather OK for take off and THEN they say cancelled to poor weather. MAKE YOUR MIND UP!!!!!!
I cant beleave people who get PAID for telling us this rubbish with our money.
Now i spent £50 on todays event, knowing the Vulcan would turn up and the fault being fixed. But i guessed i should have known better!
I understand the Vulcan has to be carefull with the what weather it flys in but come on it was a fantastic sunny afternoon with not even any wind!
I also looked at the met office and the weather was good from 1pm over Conningsby and Cosby, and surprise, surprise it was and i even looked up into the sky and it was BLUE and SUNNY!
Why the Vulcan Trust needs to take 1 hour to find this out ill never know.

Im sorry too go on but i think the Vulcan and the trust are just a massive money making scheme and dont care about the paying public at these airshows

PS I heard the Lancaster done a fantastic display Saturday, and deserves more of our support!

Personally I think you have a bloody cheek.
Many people busted their arse to get the A/c flight worthy. The weather as you don't appear to appreciate is a fickle thing in this Sceptred Isle.

As Pam (Mayfly) stated it was crap at Coningsby. If it can't take off because of local weather it matters not one jot that the rest of the UK is having a heat wave.
Would you like your holiday jet taking off in a storm aware that the airport at Land so grotty is bathed in warm sunshine.............

[Dan4th]

EASY!

EASY!

Nobody wants 558 to fly when she shouldn't.....

Believe me, I know they would have if it was
at all possible, but people get disappointed
and sometimes that gets in the way of good
sense.

You're right, Nick, but I don't think anything
more than a little whack on the head is req'd.

Works on TDC, right?

Usually?

Danf.

[Mayfly]

I just think it's unfortunate that the
season hasn't been as successful as
it perhaps could have been......

Nobody's at fault, but the more people
who see and hear her......well, you get
my drift.......

I'm going to assume that getting her
off of VFR is a non-starter, not that
558 ought to be flying in bad weather.....

You'd think, though, that at least SOME
provision for occasional instrument
flying might be useful AND contribute
to safety.

558 IS a Stout Aircraft, after all......

Onwards and Upwards!

Danf.

There have been moves a foot to get 558 out of the VFR bracket, but at the and of the day she is a PtoF a/c and one no-one ever thought would fly when the rules for PtoF a/c were made. The removal of red tape is a very slow process so I have no idea if it will ever happen in 558s life time.

Vulcan XH558 I do understand how disappointed you were - been there done that. Believe me not only did the ground crew work their socks the last few days but the aircrew to be crewed in sat waiting for a weather window isn't dereliction of duty either,

[Xplumberlives]

Once again the subject of 558 and her inability to meet her commitments brings out some strong views!

We attended the VICTORY SHOW at Cosby on the Saturday, some lovely flying from the B.B.M.F. Lancaster and Spitfire, three P51s and several other items. Also thoroughly enjoyed looking around the ground displays and the recreation of a battle in Normandy in late June 1944.

BUT, knowing how fickle 558 and the weather can be, we climbed one of the two hills over looking the site on the Sunday hoping to see the bombing run. We were joined by at least a hundred other souls, who by their timing were ONLY there to see 558. Word gradually went round that yet again she had cancelled due to weather at home and the hill rapidly cleared!

Ce la vie, unfortunately for many people who went in to the show on the Sunday, just to see the VULCAN BOMBING RUN, they probably regard their entrance money as WASTED and will remember this. Never to bother again! The organisers will have benefited from the VULCAN EFFECT, but many of us are getting wise to the fact that she fails to display more often than actually getting out over the public!

Just a DAMNED SHAME really!

[Jogger321]

Like Xplumber we went to Cosby but only yesterday (The Sunday). I'm wondering given the weather in Linconshire whether if it had been the other day around whether it would have been the Lancaster and BBMF that would have been a no show on Sunday if the vulcan had benefitted from good weather on the saturday?

Anyway yes a lot of extremely fed up people at Cosby who I guess also did not dip much into their pockets for 558. I've already decided that if she is scheduled to appear next year at Cosby we will watch from the rd or another viewpoint to safeguard another no show. I've done the Victory show twice now and although interesting all the dressing up in military costumes and battle reenactment stuff doesn't really do it for me.

Sadly due to work committments and other stuff I haven't seen 558 this year

[Vulcan Bomber]

I think yet again its an absolute JOKE! that the Vulcan never turned up at Cosby, the twitter feeds throughout the day was also a joke, one minute saying its departing at 12 then they say holding for weather, then they were waiting for a weather gap, then waiting they were speaking to met office for 1 hour, then they say weather OK for take off and THEN they say cancelled to poor weather. MAKE YOUR MIND UP!!!!!!
I cant beleave people who get PAID for telling us this rubbish with our money.
Now i spent £50 on todays event, knowing the Vulcan would turn up and the fault being fixed. But i guessed i should have known better!
I understand the Vulcan has to be carefull with the what weather it flys in but come on it was a fantastic sunny afternoon with not even any wind!
I also looked at the met office and the weather was good from 1pm over Conningsby and Cosby, and surprise, surprise it was and i even looked up into the sky and it was BLUE and SUNNY!
Why the Vulcan Trust needs to take 1 hour to find this out ill never know.

Im sorry too go on but i think the Vulcan and the trust are just a massive money making scheme and dont care about the paying public at these airshows

PS I heard the Lancaster done a fantastic display Saturday, and deserves more of our support!

i wouldnt read into this much to be honest... £50 quid sounds pretty cheap to me, your stall you have would of filled your pockets im sure.

Going around with this sort of affair on the net makes it worse for 558 not better.

I bet you did enjoy the Lancs display as you watched it.

I'm pretty disapointed you've put that post up paul, even after the amount of times i've explained to you the rules of 558's flying and just an idea of what it involves to fly her.

[Dee]

Very harsh post IMO. After all the gut breaking work the ground crew did to get her ready. Its hardly anyones fault she was beaten by the weather!!!

[Crew chief]

I went to the show at Cosby yesterday and thought is was a very good day out, the fact 558 didn't show did not bother me at all.Hats off to Taff and the boy's for sorting out the gremlins and the British weather is what it is.

cc.

[10680]

So despite what others may say people do just go to see one aircraft!

Even when virtually a complete airshow has been canned due to the weather (Cosford, Bournemouth and Shoreham last year) it's the Vulcan's fault.

Anyone complained yet that there's only eight Arrows when they paid for nine.

If the Lanc had been due to fly on Sunday I presume that would have had even less chance.

[Mayfly]

The lanc stayed over night at Duxford or at least was scheduled to but you are correct - If they were at Coningsby they wouldn't have been going anywhere either I'm not sure if they even got back yesterday.

It's always is a great source of amusement to me that even those who slag off 558 do so with such passion and some continually. Why? Exactly what is it that makes people so passionate about her. I'm convinced they are closet fans but afraid to come out!

[Lucas1860]

I followed the weather forecast all week and saw that Sat was going to be the better day. The show overall was really good, well put together. I know its a pain when certain aircraft fail to turn up either due to weather or U/S. Yes the Vulcan is a crowd puller, the show will have benefited from that, however if it can't fly then it can't fly. Our climate has a knack of messing up at these events. How many RIAT shows has it poured down over the past few years. Maybe its time to review show days, May, June time seem to get more reliable days.

Jim

[VulcanXH558]

I am sorry to go on and talk bad things about the Vulcan but i just think its excuse after excuse, i understand they worked really hard on the Vulcan in completing the fault, and its great they did, i also understand the rules and regs that it cannot fly in bad weather but hang on its a heavy, big, strong BOMBER not a paper plane that will get soggy and fall out the sky.

I am just glad when i go on a passenger jet they dont say we are waiting for a gap in the weather and 4 hours later they cancel my flight.
I bet people would moan then if they couldnt get too there destination on time.

ps Lets hope its not raining for the Queens Diamond Jubilee, for the possible Vulcan flypast.
Maybe the Lancaster will fill the Vulcans place if its raining! a Hardcore Plane!!!!

[Mayfly]

But you are missing the point -

It is not the management, the engineers or the aircrew who won't or won't allow 558 to fly in bad weather it's the CAA rules! 558 is governed by the same rule that govern JPs and the like. Yes she may be big - yes she is strong- yes she was equipped for bad weather and yes the aircrew are more than capable of flying on instruments but...

It is simply not allowed and you can not expect the aircrew to put their license at risk by breaking the CAA rules!

[VulcanXH558]

so why did a twiiter come up saying weather OK for take off? if they were ready to go, why didnt the Vulcan take off but instead they then messed around finding a alternate routes and taken them that long the weather then turned bad again.