Film for VX770 crash and drawings

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Film for VX770 crash and drawings

Postby grubb » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:36 pm

Hi,

I'm currently doing a University project on structural failure and I'm looking for as much film of VX770 as it passed Syerston in 1958. The only bit I can find is the BBC local news about the anniversary but I need more to verify the speed of her, angles etc.

I have been to Kew, VTTS, local libraries etc. but I cannot find any film, and the online stuff has been pulled for some reason.


I could also do with some schematics of the prototype or Mk1 if anyone has those?


Can anyone help please?


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Re: Film for VX770 crash and drawings

Postby Mayfly » Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:20 am

Hi Welcome to IA

There are a couple of threads on here if you search for VX770. Not sure if there is any pointers in them for you tho'.

This is all I can find have you seen it?

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Re: Film for VX770 crash and drawings

Postby grubb » Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:08 am

Hi,

Thanks for that, yes I've seen this clip, I had hoped for more to estimate her speed using ground objects to reference.

Keith Stevenson is sending me what film he has, maybe it will yield more (I hope).

Thanks again :D
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Re: Film for VX770 crash and drawings

Postby Sooty655 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:40 am

Do bear in mind that the speed is largely irrelevant unless you also know the amount of control inputs applied, which could not be determined from the wreckage. See Avro's letter dated 24th September 1958 within TNA file BT 233/403.

I have sent you a pm ~ you may need to make one more post before you can access it.
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Re: Film for VX770 crash and drawings

Postby grubb » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:32 pm

Hi,

I can't seem to PM you yet Sooty655, maybe it's because I haven't posted enough yet.

I have managed to get to Kew and photograph the file you mentioned, I'm due to go back and view some of these:


Metal fatigue in aircraft: reports


Reference: BT 248/301
Description:

Metal fatigue in aircraft: reports
Date: 1952-1961

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Reference: AIR 20/10764
Description:

Vulcan aircraft: wind tunnel test results
Date: 1954-1957
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Former reference in its original department VB/203/8 (Part 2)
Legal status: Public Record

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Jaguar aircraft: fatigue life

Reference: AVIA 65/1752
Description:

Jaguar aircraft: fatigue life
Date: 1965-1972



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Cumulative damage theory of metal fatigue


Reference: DSIR 23/17248
Description:

Cumulative damage theory of metal fatigue
Date: 1948

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RAW MATERIALS (Code 42): Metal fatigue detection prior to development of cracks in light...

Reference: AVIA 15/3360
Description:

RAW MATERIALS (Code 42): Metal fatigue detection prior to development of cracks in light alloy: reports
Date: 1945-1954

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Literature review on cyclic stress induced metal fatigue(NGTE M320)


Reference: DSIR 23/26312

Description:

Literature review on cyclic stress induced metal fatigue(NGTE M320)
Date: 1958

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Fatigue of metals, especially aluminium

Reference: DSIR 23/31185
Description:

Fatigue of metals, especially aluminium
Date: 1963

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Statistical nature of fatigue of metals

Reference: DSIR 23/22810
Description:

Statistical nature of fatigue of metals
Date: 1954

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Fatigue characteristics of a metal wing

Reference: DSIR 23/23611
Description:

Fatigue characteristics of a metal wing
Date: 1955

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Basic Properties of Metals Committee: some metallographic changes produced by fatiguing aluminium alloys


Reference: SUPP 19/1263
Description:

Basic Properties of Metals Committee: some metallographic changes produced by fatiguing aluminium alloys
Note: With photographs
Date: 1954 Jan 01-1954 Dec 31

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The British Non Ferrous Metals Research Association: fatigue properties of a magnesium - ½% zirconium alloy

Reference: AB 7/12151
Description:

The British Non Ferrous Metals Research Association: fatigue properties of a magnesium - ½% zirconium alloy
Date: 1961 Nov

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The fatigue properties of three aluminium alloys and a mild steel with respect to structural applications D S Higgs, J McKeown and A R Goreham
Date: 1960 Oct

Reference: AB 7/9707
Description:

The fatigue properties of three aluminium alloys and a mild steel with respect to structural applications D S Higgs, J McKeown and A R Goreham
Date: 1960 Oct

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A.V Roe & Co: design and manufacture of Vulcan aircraft

Reference: AVIA 53/18
Description:

A.V Roe & Co: design and manufacture of Vulcan aircraft
Date: 1947-1954

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Production of Vulcan mk.l aircraft by AV Roe Ltd: policy


Reference: AVIA 65/215
Description:

Production of Vulcan mk.l aircraft by AV Roe Ltd: policy
Date: 1952-1956

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Pitch derivatives for Avro Vulcan and DH 108 wings

Reference: DSIR 23/21323
Description:

Pitch derivatives for Avro Vulcan and DH 108 wings
Date: 1952

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Vulcan B Mks 1 and 2: alterations on structural strength. Includes 16 photographs...

Reference: AVIA 65/1279
Description:

Vulcan B Mks 1 and 2: alterations on structural strength.

Includes 16 photographs depicting: (1) Avro Vulcan: wing vulnerability against small shell explosions; tests (2) Delta-Wing Bomber (Vulcan) MK1 and MK2 models (3) Vulcan MK1 and MK2: oil flow patterns on wings (4) X-ray tube used to locate cracks in stringer brackets at front and rear. Dated 1956.
Date: 1957-1959

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Strength in comparison and tension of an aluminium alloy extruded angle to specification DTD 683A

Reference: AVIA 6/21145
Description:

Strength in comparison and tension of an aluminium alloy extruded angle to specification DTD 683A
Date: 1958
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Re: Film for VX770 crash and drawings

Postby Sooty655 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:29 am

I assume you found the RAE memo A/11265/12/WH dated 21st April 1960 in the BT 233/403 file. I have been unable to find any trace of the report to which it refers, Accident Note Structures 307, and I have tried every possible source I can think of. If you find any reference to it in the other files you are planning to review, please let me know.
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Re: Film for VX770 crash and drawings

Postby Jason_osmer » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:41 am

Hi Grubb

Looks like we are studying the same thing!and had the same topic idea. are you studying with the open university by any chance?

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