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Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:26 pm
by Hazzer111
Couldn't the engines be sent to Rolls Royce to be refurbished?

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:30 pm
by Ray C
Would another engine fit EG Avons ? Tel me if that's a stupid idea I can take it ! [-x

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:32 pm
by Xplumberlives
Hazzer111 wrote:Couldn't the engines be sent to Rolls Royce to be refurbished?





Theoretically yes, now as for COST and whether RR would be interested in doing the work are the next questions leading on from yours!



Ray, it would be extremely unlikely, but again theoretically possible!

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:56 pm
by Ray C
I'm looking at the situation from a classic/historic car point of view, yes I know they don't take to the air, however, many old cars out there have none original upgrades/replacements.

Brakes, steering, complete engines, suspension, all that the public see is the original body, I drove an MGC GT Sebring replica 0-60 in 7.5 seconds bloody awesome, public comments, ahhhhh what a nice old car.

Anyway I'm off to the pub for a few beers.

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:06 pm
by Xplumberlives
Ray C wrote:I'm looking at the situation from a classic/historic car point of view, yes I know they don't take to the air, however, many old cars out there have none original upgrades/replacements.

Brakes, steering, complete engines, suspension, all that the public see is the original body, I drove an MGC GT Sebring replica 0-60 in 7.5 seconds bloody awesome, public comments, ahhhhh what a nice old car.

Anyway I'm off to the pub for a few beers.




I hope you enjoyed your beer, old cars are NOT governed by the C.A.A! ;)

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:18 pm
by MOD
The difference being Ray that with restored 'Complex' aircraft the CAA and the OEMs have to approve every step of the restoration and in particular any non-original equipment - if they get it wrong the consequences don't bear thinking about.
In contrast to your local MSA scrutineer who will use the 'Blue Book' as his guide which is not quite the same thing. ;)

ibw

EDIT: XPL more or less beat me to the punchline... ;)

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:57 pm
by Ducati Boy
Dee wrote:I think if she stops flying next year as is suggested many people will stop donating,, simple! But reading DB's post surely its best to highlight this mod now so as to keep her up there^^^^^^. Thats where i want to see her for more years yet please!!! ~x(

Wish I could give you a simple answers and some guarantees, but there just ain't any. with so many variables running one can only hope things come right and she flys for many years yet. It won't be for want of trying.

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:55 pm
by Jack
Scampton would be a good bet.

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:07 pm
by Xplumberlives
Jack wrote:Scampton would be a good bet.



Then put lots of money on it! ;)

Can't see it myself! [-x

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:59 pm
by Sooty655
I think she will end up wherever she happens to be when she needs a non-available engine.

Followed by months of bitching about how unfair it is to be refused permission for a three-engined ferry flight.

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:08 pm
by Ducati Boy
Sooty655 wrote:I think she will end up wherever she happens to be when she needs a non-available engine.

Followed by months of bitching about how unfair it is to be refused permission for a three-engined ferry flight.

Thanks for the pre-judgement!! X( It really is just not worth responding to that!! Stuff it, I have more than enough to do supporting a FLYING Vulcan to bandy words with you. In future find your own answers, you've done my head in.

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:38 am
by Sooty655
Not judgmental at all, and not intended to be. Simply my opinion (no more than that, hence the "I think..." opening) based on the risk that at some point a birdstrike may take out two engines, the lack of unlimited quantities of available spare engines (which isn't likely to get any better), the understandable caution shown by the CAA with regard to XH558, and the established track record in bitchiness shown in the past by some supporters of XH558.

I'm not sure why you are so hostile, unless you are suggesting that XH558 will definitely cease to fly when there is only one spare engine available. If that is the case, it would make a cost-benefit analysis of the FI mod (which you have previously referred to) somewhat eye-watering.

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:10 pm
by Sploosher
Sploosher wrote:
Xplumberlives wrote:I know where she will end her days! ;)


Elvington...................... :D


Having looked at the pdf for the V3 project, and if the trust manage to get the funds, why not build it and house 2 Vulcans under one roof at Wellesbourne :D

As for the education side, more has to be done now while she is still flying and not as a static or taxiiable aircraft, by then it would be too late. :(

I dont think, that at this moment in time, anyone knows for certain where she will end up no matter what rumour control is saying right now, things change....... ;)

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:57 pm
by Ducati Boy
Sooty655 wrote:Not judgmental at all, and not intended to be. Simply my opinion (no more than that, hence the "I think..." opening) based on the risk that at some point a birdstrike may take out two engines, the lack of unlimited quantities of available spare engines (which isn't likely to get any better), the understandable caution shown by the CAA with regard to XH558, and the established track record in bitchiness shown in the past by some supporters of XH558.

I'm not sure why you are so hostile, unless you are suggesting that XH558 will definitely cease to fly when there is only one spare engine available. If that is the case, it would make a cost-benefit analysis of the FI mod (which you have previously referred to) somewhat eye-watering.


Against my better judgement I will respond as you seem unable to actually read and digest what you get from those who seek to light the darkness of ignorance. I cannot suggest any solution to the engine situation as I simply do not have that information. However, I prefer to remain optimistic that all may come good and it won't be for want of trying(see my post before last).

You are quite rightly entitled to your view of course, this is an open forum. My hostility comes from what you are not entitled to do which is to say: "Followed by months of bitching about how unfair it is to be refused permission for a three-engined ferry flight". That is assuming and telling us (all 558 supporters) in advance how we will all behave in a future situation. You have no ability to foresee how supporters of 558 will react and no right to insult them all in advance. I don't "bitch", I get on with the job.

As for CAA they have taken proper caution in awarding TVOC a Full BCAR M5 maintenance authority which has been hard earned and frankly speaking, you sir are not qualified to comment on that.

You are obviously not a supporter of 558 and seem to relish the prospect of TVOC failing, that is your misfortune, one has to wonder if perhaps have a personal axe to grind against the project or those involved.

Make what you will of my reply, frankly I couldn't care less about the opinion of 558 antis, I only seek to help answer queries from genuine supporters, unfortunately some people on this forum make that a pointless endeavour. So enjoy grubbing about in the dark, no more info from this source. ~x(

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:56 pm
by Dan4th
Pat, I think you are over-reacting
a little bit.....

We all know how strongly you feel
about the Vulcan, but I don't think
you need to make a blanket case
here, and Sooty is only stating an
opinion....

Go away if you must, but it won't
be because anyone drove you out!

Dan4th

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:07 am
by Sooty655
Ducati Boy wrote:You are obviously not a supporter of 558 and seem to relish the prospect of TVOC failing, that is your misfortune, one has to wonder if perhaps have a personal axe to grind against the project or those involved.


If that were the case, one would also have to wonder why I spent time, money and effort designing and manufacturing for TVOC tools which were otherwise unobtainable. I have neither axe to grind nor chip on shoulder to use it on.

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:23 pm
by Phantom2
Sploosher wrote:
Xplumberlives wrote:I know where she will end her days! ;)


Elvington...................... :D



Nahh... Southend.... 558 replaced 426 in '85/6... history will repeat it's self and 558 will again replace 426...

Remember the HLF agreement? retire to Duxford [they don't want it] an official museum? or a like minded charity?.... the only one being VRT.... ;)

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:29 pm
by Xplumberlives
No, NOT Southend! ;)

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:30 pm
by Phantom2
Xplumberlives wrote:No, NOT Southend! ;)


Wait and see ;) ;)

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:42 pm
by Xplumberlives
Yep, waiting and watching, some time in late 2013 if Dr Bob is correct! :D

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:01 pm
by Phantom2
Xplumberlives wrote:Yep, waiting and watching, some time in late 2013 if Dr Bob is correct! :D



Think you have miss read Ve3..... unless I have read it wrong [And I may have]... didn't he say 2013... IF they don't do the leading edge mod?

We know that she can fly at least until the end of the 2013 season without these modifications, but beyond that we have to consider alternatives that may be more realistic.
One of these is that she will continue to delight audiences with fast taxi displays, but that the majority of the cost of operating her will be mitigated by no longer maintaining her Permit to Fly.

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:49 pm
by Sploosher
Phantom2 wrote:
Xplumberlives wrote:No, NOT Southend! ;)


Wait and see ;) ;)



what............ :-o down south................. :((

why does everything have to eb so far away from us people up north................. [-x

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:07 am
by Xplumberlives
Well, we'll see wont we!




Sploosher, start saving up now and then you can visit!

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:13 am
by Kermit
Southend ?????? Cant see that working, busy airport, no access, takes forever to get to anyway, just ask the guys who look after 426 :(
definitely needs to be further up North IMO, I m with Sploosher on this one.

And in the meantime, lets enjoy 558 while we still can ...... :D

edited to add, talking of which, who is going to Dunsfold/south coast jollies ??? IA meet up ??

Re: Xh558 plans for future

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:11 pm
by Hungry Haggis
Hazzer111 wrote:somewhere on the website it said xh558 would be flying for at least the next 10 years, this isn't good if they are saying next year will be the end, and anyway we already have taxing Vulcan's.


Somewhere on the website ??? For those of us that don't have access to the relevant info thats a bit vague. Even when 558 flew for the first time after restoration I can not recall any set figure for her flying life .at that time she had 8 engines & the prospect of some MOD's at a later date & a lot of optimism & speculation re length of flying life If I recall correctly I even think something around 7 or 8 years was bandied about .Reading the link in the first post I do not see any reference to 2013 being the end what I see is the end of 2013 being a time for possibly a different direction but nothing about it being the end of flying ( I may have read it wrong though being doing a lot of that of late).
As for taxing Vulcan's Is there not only 655 that is live and taxi's I don't know about 426 at Southend for a while and can't see her doing to much trundling around taking up time on a live runway so to me that not Vulcan's it's just 1 Vulcan for now.

Oh and just my thoughts I think 558 will return to Brunty to join the live fleet there when her flying days are finally over .Unless of cource they can buy land and build an exibition centre at Robin hood with rare taxi .That could be the future today there is a flying aircraft lets all enjoy it while we can.