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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dan4th » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:04 am

It's also interesting to see your learning
curve in action -- already applying what
is actually fairly recent experience from
Butch so you can avoid problems this time
around with Speedy :D

And I agree about all the great equipment
you have in your shop :-o

WHEW!

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dougs » Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:35 pm

Thanks dan4th/PW I do feel very lucky that I have the equipment I do, it makes the jobs a lot easier than they would be otherwise :D
A quick update
I decided as I want to get everything running "spot on" I decided that after measuring the cranking on the axel sets I would reset all three axels
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This shows that there is almost 1mm difference between the front and rear axes this will pull the wheels to the centre and be way too much to be a good runner so:
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All taken apart this will make fitting the axel block a little easier as I can machine them loose without the wheels getting in the way
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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dougs » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:53 pm

Busy weekend playing :p
One odd thing came up this weekend I got given the wood patterns for the castings on the loco ( cylinders and end covers) :-o
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I need to get two of the small discs cast so I may see how much it costs to get a whole load done as it may then cover the cost of my parts if I sell the extra's on

Anyway back to the axel boxes they are all now machined up and a nice fit
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Front set of wheels set up and painted
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The rest of the wheels ready to get setup in the jig
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I will hopefully have a rolling chassis in the next couple of weeks my current job list is
Wheels, buffer beams, cylinders mounted to frame, paint outer frame rails black
So lots and lots of jobs to do and I haven't even given any thought to the rest of it yet
:D :D
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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dan4th » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:48 pm

I'm not worried, Dougs, you seem to be
able to get a lot done once you've got a
good head of steam going :)) :)) :))

Funny how just one thing, though, like
the black paint on those drive wheels,
makes such a difference B-)

I'm still looking forward to you getting
Butch out on the track :D !

Don't forget THAT on your list :ymdevil:

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby 34053 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:23 am

Thanks Dougs. Only had the time to have a quick 'flick through' your pics last night, but have now had the chance to have a good look (as they rightly deserve). Great idea (if financially viable for you) to mass produce some parts to 'sell on'. Really looking forward to seeing the 'rolling chassis' stage of the build.
(BTW, pleased to see the 'Mint Sauce' jar featuring in one of the pics again ;) :) ).

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dougs » Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:24 am

All the wheels are now lined up and painted and the first set of suspension has been completed
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Little steps but they are all leading the right way and doing the detailed painting now will mean I won't have a lengthy strip down at the end to paint it all up it also seems to be the way the big locos are built so they are probably on to something ;)
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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby 34053 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:31 pm

Thanks for the Update, Dougs. Looking good :ymapplause:

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dougs » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:22 pm

Update
All the wheels are now complete and suspension working well
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Next up I want to get the cylinders on the frames so I can see where the cylinders fit and I can then finish the frames off by finish painting them first off I need to machine down the datum face ( the one fitting to the frame) to the correct dimension
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Then once it's machined down to the correct size I need to drill the holes in the datum face to hold the cylinder onto the frame.
The finished surface
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Then back to Autocad to make a cutting plan where the holes need to be drilled
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Then I fitted it to the frames
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Its taking a while to finish off as I need to make 11 4BA bolts to attach the cylinder then I have to do it all again on the other side once both are done I need to trim the cylinder lengths as they are a little too long then I will know the final positions and I can paint the frames.
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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dan4th » Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:17 pm

It occurs to me that both the rotation of
the drive wheels and the up-and-down
movements of the suspension must call
for some kind of lubrication....

My question is: What will you use in each
case and how often will you need to lube
these moving parts?????

Sitting on its wheels and with the cylinder
block mounted, Speedy all of a sudden has
some Real Substance :D

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dougs » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:46 am

Dan4th wrote:It occurs to me that both the rotation of
the drive wheels and the up-and-down
movements of the suspension must call
for some kind of lubrication....

My question is: What will you use in each
case and how often will you need to lube
these moving parts?????

Sitting on its wheels and with the cylinder
block mounted, Speedy all of a sudden has
some Real Substance :D

Danf.

All the wheels and horn guides need to be lubricated before each run, the axels have a small cup above them with a tiny feed hole for the oil to travel to the bearing to top this up there is usually a small system of pipes in the case of butch there are a couple of oil feed boxes mounted on the front of the tanks I will make something similar for speedy but it will be hidden ;)
As for substance if that = weight then wow u are not kidding its getting very heavy already :p I am guessing that even without the boiler when all the parts are fitted then I won't be able to pick it up :-o it's a real monster!
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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby 34053 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:16 pm

Thank you for your latest Update Dougs. Quite a lot for you to do on this bit! However, we shall allow you some 'time off' today, as it's your Birthday ;)

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dan4th » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:58 pm

I am guessing that even without the boiler when all the parts are fitted then I won't be able to pick it up it's a real monster!


Time for one of These????????

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dougs » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:24 pm

34053 wrote:Thank you for your latest Update Dougs. Quite a lot for you to do on this bit! However, we shall allow you some 'time off' today, as it's your Birthday ;)
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Not a chance been busy enjoying myself doing some machining :D :D

Dan4th you have no idea how close you are lol, I am looking into a beam along the garage roof with a hoist :-o
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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dougs » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:31 pm

Ok been very busy indeed loads and loads of machining :D
First off completing the first cylinder to size 3"1/8 long
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Next up fitting to the frame and starting the next cylinder both cylinders fitted to the frame
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The right hand side cylinder is finished to size now I have got to finish off the other one
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Once the second cylinder is finished then I can mask off and final paint the frames, then finish off the buffers and fit the front and rear beams :D
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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby 34053 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:14 pm

Amazing stuff Dougs. Really impressive, the amount of work that is involved.

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dougs » Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:43 pm

bit of a setback by putting the cylinders on the frames in what should be the correct position has highlighted a bit of an issue all the axel blocks are not made to the correct size
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the holes are too low in the boxes so the wheels are not at the correct height basicly all the axel centers should line up and be level with the center of the piston cylinder and they are about 1/4" low the i checked the drawings and the top of the wheels should be almost level with the top of the frame
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this is especially anoying as i had all the axels split which is not an easy job ~x(
so i now have to come up with an alternative plan that will not be easy or very "original" as i dont want to risk breaking the wheels by splitting them again.
never mind if it was easy then there would be alot more locos around :p
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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dan4th » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:37 pm

~x( Indeed!

And also :((

You'll get 'er right, Dougs, I'm sure :ymapplause:

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby 34053 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:24 pm

'These things are sent to try us'........as they say ~x(

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dougs » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:50 pm

Although things have slowed of late things are still progressing
First off a new tool to bore the cylinders
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The cylinder mounted in the vice and ready for machining to size
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The other finished cylinder being measured for comparison
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Extractors for splitting the axels
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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dan4th » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:08 am

All I have to ask is::::::::

Where did you find your WIFE :)) ?

No Wonder you fell in L-U-V B-)

Me?

I wound up with the Marriage from HELL :ymdevil:

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dougs » Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:08 am

Dan4th wrote:All I have to ask is::::::::

Where did you find your WIFE :)) ?

No Wonder you fell in L-U-V B-)

Me?

I wound up with the Marriage from HELL :ymdevil:

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Hi dan4th we have had our challenges over the years ;) and she does not support my hobby at all, she merely tolerates it JUST! :-o :-o
I have to pick my times or I would already be nearly done building it lol
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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby 34053 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:35 pm

Thanks for the Update, Dougs.
I am very fortunate in that Mama Wedgy, although you could say a fairly late 'convert' to my passion for Steam Locomotives in particular and Preserved Railway in general, does share my enjoyment of these. (She was with me at the 'Recommisioning' of 'Sir Keith Park' on Saturday-see separate Topic- and had agreat time).

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dougs » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:33 am

just a small update after a very big job :) both the cylinders are now the correct size allowing me to mask up the frames for painting this means that I can split the frames for the last time and finish paint them this is a huge step forward as once I have painted them and finished the buffers the whole chassis is complete and I can start to build upwards :D and more importantly the whole lot will be preserved and won't corrode again!
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i have also been collecting more materials for the job I now have both piston castings which is a relief as these are £150 a set and I only had one, I also now have some material for the coupling links so i will be making a couple of sets one for butch and one for speedy these are only for display as the can be damaged if used for pulling heavy loads (3 links of chain are the normal hardwear for that job)
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I do like the look of them though :)
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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby Dan4th » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:22 am

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Oooooh!

Shackles!

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Re: New build 5" Gauge 15xx class loco "Speedy"

Postby 34053 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:15 pm

Thank you, Dougs. Sounds like 'it's all systems go!' now \:D/

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