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Outer London 'Orbital Railway'

Postby 34053 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:34 pm

The final section (between Surrey Quays and Clapham Junction) of the 'London Overground' Orbital Railway around Outer London, has been completed (to become the Railway equivalent of the M25 Motorway). Trains will run every 15 mins, seven days a week. However, the journey around London has to be completed in separate sections (see the map on the link below). At the same time, sadly, the 'South London Line' that directly linked London Victoria and London Bridge Stations, has been withdrawn to allow for the upgrade of the existing cross-London 'Thameslink' Service (Bedford to Brighton).

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2012-12- ... tal-opens/

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Re: Outer London 'Orbital Railway'

Postby RLN » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:47 pm

Seems odd that you can't just get on and go around the route.
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Re: Outer London 'Orbital Railway'

Postby 34053 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:03 pm

RLN wrote:Seems odd that you can't just get on and go around the route.


That's what I thought! It must be something to do with the Trains only being able to cover certain (dedicated) sections of the line to achieve the necessary 'return journey' times on that section (???).

Here's a clearer Map of the whole 'London Overground' Network and Station Interchanges:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/ ... rk-map.pdf

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Edit 1: Map added.
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Re: Outer London 'Orbital Railway'

Postby Sooty655 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:34 pm

34053 wrote:
RLN wrote:Seems odd that you can't just get on and go around the route.


That's what I thought! It must be something to do with the Trains only being able to cover certain (dedicated) sections of the line to achieve the necessary 'return journey' times on that section (???).

Here's a clearer Map of the whole 'London Overground' Network and Station Interchanges:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/ ... rk-map.pdf

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Edit 1: Map added.


Remember that most of the Overground has been created from old lines that weren't originally joined up.

I suspect that at Clapham and at Highbury/Canonbury, the cost of joining them up would have been excessive.
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Re: Outer London 'Orbital Railway'

Postby Xplumberlives » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:57 pm

RLN wrote:Seems odd that you can't just get on and go around the route.





Seems ODD that you'd want to! :p
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Re: Outer London 'Orbital Railway'

Postby 34053 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:13 pm

Sooty655 wrote:
34053 wrote:
RLN wrote:Seems odd that you can't just get on and go around the route.


That's what I thought! It must be something to do with the Trains only being able to cover certain (dedicated) sections of the line to achieve the necessary 'return journey' times on that section (???).

Here's a clearer Map of the whole 'London Overground' Network and Station Interchanges:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/ ... rk-map.pdf

PW

Edit 1: Map added.


Remember that most of the Overground has been created from old lines that weren't originally joined up.

I suspect that at Clapham and at Highbury/Canonbury, the cost of joining them up would have been excessive.


Thank you Sooty. I knew that there had to be some logical reason.

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Re: Outer London 'Orbital Railway'

Postby Sooty655 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:30 pm

34053 wrote:
Sooty655 wrote:Remember that most of the Overground has been created from old lines that weren't originally joined up.

I suspect that at Clapham and at Highbury/Canonbury, the cost of joining them up would have been excessive.


Thank you Sooty. I knew that there had to be some logical reason.

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My daughter lives in South East London, and visiting by rail we have seen numerous small loops and level changes being built to join up the various bits of the Overground as it has grown. Most, if not all of it, has been on derelict land adjacent to the existing railway.

I reckon the cost of making land available in Highbury and Islington might be just a tad prohibitive. :))
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